Um......I guess I should say thank you? Thanks for not disrespecting me while tracking your interest. I appreciate it and will very soon be able to talk freely - be free - smarter.....
You deserve praise for withstanding the abuse, harassment (literal and figurative), and carnage heaped upon your life the last few months. *doffs cap*.
Thanks I'm not proud to admit that I probably know her better than anyone else - but I will share with you everything you want to know. In time of course - next Thursday is going to be interesting...
I am sorry to hear about what happened to you. However, I wonder how you can presume to know her better than anyone else after a very short relationship. Keeping the drama going is harmful to all. What's the point of continuing this? What's the point of giving information to people who harrass her? "I will share with you everything you want to know..." You don't even know the people you are sharing this story with. Why harm her more? Share with your own support people not with the Internet world. She may need help. The people who harrass her are victimizing someone who is struggling in this world. What do you get from keeping this going. What do they get? I wonder if others question why you have the need to share everything with people you don't know. I hope you can rethink your boundaries and motives with this and do what is right.
Obviously she needs help. And I wouldnt expose her to any more craziness than whats already occurred. But I am certainly open to fielding questions about someone Ive known for well over a year - and however you want to define the "relationship" understand that I am not angry or in need of any revenge. I never even pressed charges - so if it gives closure to others who have been sucked into her insanity - I'm available. PEACE!
Harass her? She is the one who would/will troll sites, unsolicited, and release obscenity laced screeds at people. And pointing that out is harassment?
I am not defending her. I am not suggesting that she does not need consequences. I am suggesting that if LM tells random Internet people "the story", this will result in more pain/drama for all. Obviously, it is her choice.
These people continue to attack Deb, continue to create awful videos, etc. What is their purpose? Do they believe that because she hurts others that it is right to fight in the same way? Deb should not be verbally violent or otherwise. When she is, I beleive consequences are deserved. I agree, a bully, needs to be told stop, I mostly believe that treatment is needed. I don't believe she should be attacked.
If you are really concerned about potential future violence, do you think continued Internet attacks makes it less likely. Is this the consequence you mean? It is not the right thing for anyone to do. She is a human being who needs help, a community member who needs help and eventually a place to belong again. I know she is someone difficult to understand and hard to help. Obviously, she is not healthy right now. She was not always like this. My hope is that she can get the help she needs and, with support come back to a healthy place. I don't understand how anyone who is really in touch with their conscious can believe continuing to attack her serves any good purpose.
There is a difference between "mocking" (which is what the people who make the videos, etc.) do, and "attacking" (which is what Debra does).
She'll go after your kids, spouse/SO, your job, your reputation, just because you didn't give her the "respect" she thinks she deserves.
Look at the postings on her website - there is no excuse for half the stuff she posts - from crashing wakes, to writing pedophiliac fantasies about dead children and dead old men.
When she stops harassing others, others will stop mocking her. Not before.
Anything less is abdicating responsibility for community, and many of us Eugene lesbians are sick of her sullying our community.
Good G_d, you come on a victim's blog and defend her attacker as misunderstood and maltreated? What she does is indefensible.
You should have been in the courtroom. Some of Deb's "victims" were, as many of these people you criticize for their attention to Deb's campaign of terror. It's not just her "blogs." She calls people at home or at their office, or she finds a random person or family and accuses them of being someone else (For example, there's a poor church in Utah that's been bombarded by Deb's calls because she put 2 and 2 together and got 801).
Deb needs treatment, agreed. But first she must be stopped. She has access to weapons like pepper spray, and she's unhinged enough to use them, then blithely turn off all the lights and go to bed. Who's to say her next targeted innocent won't be some random person at Wayne Morse Park.
Oh, and the videos were compilations of her in her own words in public venues, not a creation by us.
As somebody else has noted, and I have experienced firsthand, she will post lies about you, and then demand money in return for her to take it down. How is that our fault?
And it's a shame that a decent person such as euglove got dragged into this by her.
Shes crazy and needs to be put away - once and for all - I hope the judge does whats right and puts this pitiful soul into a mental health inpatient program....stat.
You did well today, and deserve good things in the future. Just be careful in your choices while dreaming strong.
ReplyDeleteHope you'll give us your version of the events...
ReplyDeleteYou deserve praise for withstanding the abuse, harassment (literal and figurative), and carnage heaped upon your life the last few months. *doffs cap*.
ReplyDeleteThanks I'm not proud to admit that I probably know her better than anyone else - but I will share with you everything you want to know. In time of course - next Thursday is going to be interesting...
ReplyDeleteBe safe if she is out and about tonight.
ReplyDeleteYou've handled this situation with admirable grace and courage. Take care.
ReplyDelete-one who has talked to you.
Congrats on your slice of the justice pi(e).
ReplyDeleteStay safe.
Rabbit teh Gerbil.
I am sorry to hear about what happened to you. However, I wonder how you can presume to know her better than anyone else after a very short relationship. Keeping the drama going is harmful to all. What's the point of continuing this? What's the point of giving information to people who harrass her? "I will share with you everything you want to know..." You don't even know the people you are sharing this story with. Why harm her more? Share with your own support people not with the Internet world. She may need help. The people who harrass her are victimizing someone who is struggling in this world. What do you get from keeping this going. What do they get? I wonder if others question why you have the need to share everything with people you don't know. I hope you can rethink your boundaries and motives with this and do what is right.
ReplyDeleteObviously she needs help. And I wouldnt expose her to any more craziness than whats already occurred. But I am certainly open to fielding questions about someone Ive known for well over a year - and however you want to define the "relationship" understand that I am not angry or in need of any revenge. I never even pressed charges - so if it gives closure to others who have been sucked into her insanity - I'm available. PEACE!
ReplyDelete>The people who harrass her are victimizing someone
ReplyDelete>who is struggling in this world.
Geez. Does Deb have to *kill* someone before she's responsible for her own actions?
Every bad thing that's happened to her has been her own damn fault, every step of the way.
In her sane moments, which are few and far between, she knows this. Her family knows this. Her former friends and lovers know this.
But if the people she harasses stand up to her, suddenly they're harassing her?
C'mon, ya know better than that!
The first thing you do is tell a bully to stop. Any other response invites more bullying.
Stop defending a psychopath, and get her the help she needs - commit her to Dammasch, for crying out loud!
Harass her?
ReplyDeleteShe is the one who would/will troll sites, unsolicited, and release obscenity laced screeds at people. And pointing that out is harassment?
I am not defending her. I am not suggesting that she does not need consequences. I am suggesting that if LM tells random Internet people "the story", this will result in more pain/drama for all. Obviously, it is her choice.
ReplyDeleteThese people continue to attack Deb, continue to create awful videos, etc. What is their purpose? Do they believe that because she hurts others that it is right to fight in the same way? Deb should not be verbally violent or otherwise. When she is, I beleive consequences are deserved. I agree, a bully, needs to be told stop, I mostly believe that treatment is needed. I don't believe she should be attacked.
If you are really concerned about potential future violence, do you think continued Internet attacks makes it less likely. Is this the consequence you mean? It is not the right thing for anyone to do. She is a human being who needs help, a community member who needs help and eventually a place to belong again. I know she is someone difficult to understand and hard to help. Obviously, she is not healthy right now. She was not always like this. My hope is that she can get the help she needs and, with support come back to a healthy place.
I don't understand how anyone who is really in touch with their conscious can believe continuing to attack her serves any good purpose.
There is a difference between "mocking" (which is what the people who make the videos, etc.) do, and "attacking" (which is what Debra does).
ReplyDeleteShe'll go after your kids, spouse/SO, your job, your reputation, just because you didn't give her the "respect" she thinks she deserves.
Look at the postings on her website - there is no excuse for half the stuff she posts - from crashing wakes, to writing pedophiliac fantasies about dead children and dead old men.
When she stops harassing others, others will stop mocking her. Not before.
Anything less is abdicating responsibility for community, and many of us Eugene lesbians are sick of her sullying our community.
Get a spine, you apologists for evil.
Dear bleeding heart:
ReplyDeleteGood G_d, you come on a victim's blog and defend her attacker as misunderstood and maltreated? What she does is indefensible.
You should have been in the courtroom. Some of Deb's "victims" were, as many of these people you criticize for their attention to Deb's campaign of terror. It's not just her "blogs." She calls people at home or at their office, or she finds a random person or family and accuses them of being someone else (For example, there's a poor church in Utah that's been bombarded by Deb's calls because she put 2 and 2 together and got 801).
Deb needs treatment, agreed. But first she must be stopped. She has access to weapons like pepper spray, and she's unhinged enough to use them, then blithely turn off all the lights and go to bed. Who's to say her next targeted innocent won't be some random person at Wayne Morse Park.
Oh, and the videos were compilations of her in her own words in public venues, not a creation by us.
ReplyDeleteAs somebody else has noted, and I have experienced firsthand, she will post lies about you, and then demand money in return for her to take it down. How is that our fault?
And it's a shame that a decent person such as euglove got dragged into this by her.
Shes crazy and needs to be put away - once and for all - I hope the judge does whats right and puts this pitiful soul into a mental health inpatient program....stat.
ReplyDelete